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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2016, 11:55:48 AM »
The dog was 4.59 I believe.

Maybe this was more like a Flint dog...because to call that stuff sauce rather than chili seems more apt.
I dunno....

It was Detroit Dog and a good one at that. 

Here is some more information about coneys.


Michigan[edit]
Jane and Michael Stern, writing in 500 Things to Eat Before it's Too Late note that "there's only one place to start [to pinpoint the top Coney Islands], and that is Detroit. Nowhere is the passion for them more intense."[1]:233

The Coney Island developed in Michigan is a natural-casing beef or beef and pork European-style Wiener Würstchen (Vienna sausage) of German origin, topped with a beef heart-based sauce, one or two stripes of yellow mustard and diced or chopped onions. The variety is a fixture in Flint,[4] Detroit, Jackson, Kalamazoo, and southeastern Michigan.[5] The style originated in the early 20th century, with competing claims from American and Lafayette Coney Islands (1917) [6] in Detroit, and Todoroff's Original Coney Island (1914) in Jackson.[5] The longest continuously operated Coney Island (in the same location) is in Kalamazoo, Michigan (1915).[7]

Detroit style[edit]

Competing neighboring Coney restaurants in Detroit
In Detroit historically many Greek and Macedonian immigrants operated Coney islands, or restaurants serving Detroit Coney dogs. By 2012 many Albanians began operating them as well.[8] The Greeks established Onassis Coney Island, which has closed. Greek immigrants established the Coney chains Kerby's Koney Island, Leo's Coney Island, and National Coney Island during the 1960s and early 1970s. All three chains sell some Greek food items with Coney dogs. National has most of its restaurants on the east side of the city, and Kerby's and Leo's have the bulk of their restaurants on the west side of the Detroit area.[9]

Flint style[edit]
Flint style is characterized by a dry hot dog topping made with a base of ground beef heart, which is ground to a consistency of fine-ground beef.[10] Some assert that in order to be an "authentic" Flint coney, the hot dog must be a Koegel coney and the sauce by Angelo's, which opened in 1949.[4][11] However, the sauce was originally developed by a Macedonian in 1924, Simion P. (Sam) Brayan, for his Flint's Original Coney Island restaurant. Brayan was the one who contracted with Koegel Meat Company to make the coney they still make today, also contracting with Abbott's Meat to provide the fine-grind beef heart sauce base. Abbott's still makes Brayan's 1924 sauce base available to restaurants through the Koegel Meat Company. Restaurants then add chopped onions sautéed in beef tallow, along with their own spice mix and other ingredients, to Abbott's sauce base to make their sauce.[10]

Popular folklore perpetuates a myth that a Flint coney sauce recipe containing ground beef and ground hot dogs is the "original" Flint Coney sauce recipe. Variations on this story include either that a relative of the storyteller knew or worked with the former owner of Flint's Original and received the recipe from them,[12] or that the wife of the owner of Flint's Original allowed the publication of the recipe in the Flint Journal after his death.[13] Ron Krueger, longtime food writer of the Flint Journal, included it in a collection of recipes from the newspaper but without a cited source, unlike the rest of the recipes in the collection.[14] When asked about this Mr. Krueger replied, “That recipe appeared in The Journal several times over the years. [I don't] think I ever saw it in the context of a story or ever saw any attribution. It always included the word ‘original’ in the title, but anybody who knows anything knows otherwise.”[15] As to the second myth of Brayan's wife later allowing the publication of the recipe, Velicia Brayan died in 1976, while Simion Brayan lived until the age of 100 and died in 1990. The actual source of this recipe appears to be an earlier Flint Journal Food Editor, Joy Gallagher, who included the recipe in her column of May 23, 1978. In that column she stated she had included the recipe in an even earlier column. Her apparent source was "a woman who said she was the wife of a chef at the original Coney Island, and that she copied the recipe from his personal recipe book." Gallagher stated "I believe her". However, Gallagher also wrote, "I'm not making any claims". In the same column she also included a second recipe that used beef heart, which she wrote "came to me recently from a reader who swears it is the sauce served at Angelo's." The folklore has mixed the supposed sources of the two recipes in this column from Gallagher, with people claiming the ground hot dog recipe is reportedly from Angelo's.[16] In his column published in the Flint Journal on April 18, 1995, Food Editor Ron Krueger reported taking Gallagher's ground hot dog recipe directly to Angelo's co-owner Tom V. Branoff, who refuted the recipe line-by-line. Gallagher's pre-1978 column is still being researched.[17]


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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2016, 02:02:15 PM »
Heart?  EWWWW!!!!

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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2016, 03:43:42 PM »
Probably much more info about hot dogs than I needed to know, sometimes it's better not knowing.

That said, I've never seen the Coney place at the D (never looked for it).  Whereabouts is it?

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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2016, 05:06:22 PM »
Heart?  EWWWW!!!!

Thus the spoiler alert.

Chili is like The Law, you really don't want to know how it's made.
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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2016, 05:37:28 AM »
Heart?  EWWWW!!!!

Thus the spoiler alert.

Chili is like The Law, you really don't want to know how it's made.

...Too late. :lips: :evil: :doh: :rotf:




In all candor, I find this odd because I've tried beef heart and really didn't like it, and I did have that one bun filled with their "ground meat" topping with no hot dog and it tasted fine to me. Maybe its all those secret spices...
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2016, 09:17:06 AM »
Heart?  EWWWW!!!!

Thus the spoiler alert.

Chili is like The Law, you really don't want to know how it's made.

...Too late. :lips: :evil: :doh: :rotf:







In all candor, I find this odd because I've tried beef heart and really didn't like it, and I did have that one bun filled with their "ground meat" topping with no hot dog and it tasted fine to me. Maybe its all those secret spices...

I don't think the meat they use is Beef Heart.  It's probably ground beef.   

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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2016, 09:45:33 AM »
Heart?  EWWWW!!!!

Thus the spoiler alert.

Chili is like The Law, you really don't want to know how it's made.

...Too late. :lips: :evil: :doh: :rotf:




In all candor, I find this odd because I've tried beef heart and really didn't like it, and I did have that one bun filled with their "ground meat" topping with no hot dog and it tasted fine to me. Maybe its all those secret spices...

They usually call that "ground meat" topping loose hamburger, which you can also add to the coney to make it even better.And more fattening!! lol.
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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2016, 10:32:26 AM »
Remember, heart is just a muscle, like all the other meat that we eat.  Just a little different histologically.  And plenty lean.

I did ask the people behind the counter once, they kind of acknowledged that it's heart, and that they don't usually share that with the customers.
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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2016, 10:56:29 AM »
They usually call that "ground meat" topping loose hamburger, which you can also add to the coney to make it even better.And more fattening!! lol.

You bring up an interesting point though. Is it legal for a restaurant to call meat "hamburger" if it's made with beef heart?
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

Just call me the "quad kickers" of deuces wild and double bonus poker.

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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2016, 03:49:37 PM »
I'm sure there are FDA definitions of what can be called "hamburger" or "ground beef," not sure if heart or organ meats are allowed. I think the American Coney menu just says "chili" or something like that.
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Re: Low Roller Food: American Coney Island Hot Dogs
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2016, 03:14:46 PM »
They usually call that "ground meat" topping loose hamburger, which you can also add to the coney to make it even better.And more fattening!! lol.

You bring up an interesting point though. Is it legal for a restaurant to call meat "hamburger" if it's made with beef heart?

Heck,I don't know.All I know for sure is coneys are better with a little loose burger on it.
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