I do a lot of reading and experimenting. Have you read any of Golden Touch Craps books or followed their web site? Also I have looked at The Dice Coach and read some of his info on the web. I play $5 tables on the Boulder Highway and downtown also South Point. The table hardnest, the shooters, and the speed of the game will dictate the way I bet, I don't believe there are two tables alike. I try to get close to the stickman. I set the hardways to start with and use a gentle toss landing about 3-5 inches from the wall. I place the 6, 8, and 5. I am not a winner overall by a long shot, but I have had some good games.