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Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« on: November 17, 2013, 07:10:44 PM »
Reaching for the Stars – Chapter 8

   There has been a lot of discussion with other 7-Star card holders about the ambiguity of the Caesars web site that describes the 7-Star Experiences by level.  My beef was that nowhere on the site that lists the different trips and gifts when you achieve the next levels that if you get all of them or if you’re to pick one of them.  I finally got a hold of a host in Laughlin that seemed to be in the know.  He said you have to pick only ONE of the listed items. I took him to the site and asked to show me where that states it on the site.  He (curtly) said that he’s not responsible for the Caesars web site; he just knows what it’s supposed to say.  When I told him he should certainly understand all of our confusion and his answer was just a shrug.  His tone was somewhat condescending as I was not pleased.   Of course, I was also a bit frustrated that I worked so hard to get to level 2 and had I known it was only for one of the items, I certainly would have thought twice before going after it.  

   That’s now one thing cleared up.  I do have my choice between a $500 forum shops voucher and room at Caesar’s in Las Vegas, or a $500 pier shops voucher and a room at Caesars in Atlantic City, or a room and invitation to the Lake Tahoe Fourth of July Fireworks Festival, and finally a room and ticket to the Memphis Grizzlies game.  I’m sticking with the Lake Tahoe trip.  I spoke with my host to book me as soon as possible, but he told me it hasn’t shown up on my offers yet and believes I might have to wait until the first of the year when the new benefits are posted.  

   So far as a 7-Stars card holder (and it’s still early, I have a full 16 more months eligibilty), I’m very happy with the gift baskets, the free Internet and movies in the rooms, and the line passes.  However, I’ve only been given suites about half the time (something I initially expected, but learned later not to count on it).  I’ve also learned that there’s a lot of confusion among hosts about the benefits, and that everything must be booked through your “home” host, which in my case is at Rincon.  I find this a disadvantage as being at Rincon, my host doesn’t know anyone in Las Vegas nor has any contacts.  So, in reality, he’s really simply a fancy concierge.  He can book the rooms, but can’t book shows.  He can only book restaurant reservations at Rincon, and nowhere else.  All this has led me to believe that if you’re in a position to get your 7-Stars level at different properties, make it Las Vegas where the hosts seem to be far more connected and can do a lot more.

   Rincon is the only place (at least as far as I’ve found) that offers two free buffets a day, though Cleveland’s Horseshoe hosts all but fall over each other to write you buffets if you’re Diamond or 7-Stars.  Laughlin continues to send mail coupons for free buffets, but you only get one (for two people) every two weeks.  To my knowledge, there are no properties in Las Vegas that offer free buffets.  This summer, it’s my intention to visit the other Caesars properties and I’ll be able to give a more detailed account for this.

   I came to Laughlin on an offer for a double tournament, both blackjack and slots.  I’ve never done this type of tournament.  I knew blackjack is not my game knowing only the basic strategy.  This end up not being important as my luck was as bad as it could get.  The table is given 21 hands total and you take the amount of chips you end up with and that is added to your two slot sessions for a grand total.  The top 100 leaders are in the money.  When I registered, I was given two tickets: one said the blackjack would start at 10 AM, the other ticket said my slot tournament sessions were at 10 AM and 2 PM (I assumed the next day).  I arrived Saturday at my table for the blackjack tournament portion.  I lasted only 14 of the 21 hands and all my money was gone.  I was literally the very first person out of the tournament.  Out of those hands, I was dealt a 14 (four and a ten) nine out of the 14 hands.  I was dealt one blackjack, a 16, a 12, and an 8 (two fours) the other hands.  I split the two 4s and was given another 4.  I split them (all my money now in) and I had some luck as the three hands end up being 19, 19, and 20 with the dealer showing a five.  He had a ten in the hole, and then dealt himself a six.  I was out.  

   So, I would have to wait until tomorrow for the slot portion knowing I was already in a big hole having no points to transfer over to the total.  I met Martin and we went to see ENDER’S GAME at the Laughlin Shopping Center (surprisingly busy today).  The movie was good…but it was missing something…I can’t recommend it too highly.

   I was able to double book this weekend because I had a free three-nighter at the Riverside that included two breakfast buffets and two prime rib dinners.  I gave Martin the room and the coupons because I stayed at Harrahs where I was once again given a suite in the North Tower.  I don’t like the North Tower (too many kids and families), but the suites are nice and well-maintained and the view is excellent.


Daytime view from my room on the 19th floor of the North Tower at Harrahs in Laughlin

   Kudos goes to Harrahs, Laughlin as they have finished changing all of their video poker machines to the newer flat screen multigame formats.  The reason for the positive review is that most the machines have maintained the same video poker schedules.  Though some of the single line games have 6/5 Bonus Poker, the majority maintain the 7/5 (not full pay, but at least not lowered more) and this is true for all the multigame machines as well.  They added a 50-play (1, 2, 5, 25-cent) machine so there are now two of them and both continue to have the 8/5 Super Double Bonus and Bonus Deuces both at slightly over 98% payback schedules.  The machines are now much faster and all are the more comfortable slant back machines.  I should also mention that they have improved their hot food items (used to be just chicken wings and gruel soup for two hours a day) that have been varied and is now available from opening to closing hours.  On the two days I was there, you had choices of bacon wraps, chicken wings, sloppy Joes, cordon-bleu balls (yes, I know), and a variety of sandwiches, desserts, veggies, and assorted cheeses.
  
   My gambling on Saturday was not terrible, just bad.  I lost some at Quick Quads at the Riverside (got to keep the offers coming), lost a couple hundred at the 50-plays at Harrahs, and then dropped a little at the new Phantom of the Opera machines.  However, I played the new Lord of the Rings machine at 80-cents and caught a couple of great bonuses and walked away with $360 bringing me back to even for the day.   As a 7-Star holder, I get two free water taxi tickets per day, so I took it to the Riverside to meet Martin for the Prime Rib dinner, which as usual, was excellent.  

   Sunday morning I got up and hung around in the room until it was time for my two sessions at the slot tournaments.  Just before 10 AM I headed downstairs and looked at my ticket.  It said, Session 1: 2PM and Session 2: 10 AM.  This was odd. Was it a mistake?  When I went to the boothling, it turns out that Session 1 was yesterday at 2:00 PM.  I showed her my ticket; there was no date on it.  It seems I missed my slot tournament yesterday.  She said I should go ahead and play today if I had a good blackjack score as I’d still have a shot at it.  I laughed.  

   So, now I have the rest of the day with only dinner tonight once again with Martin using my free buffets coupon.  I don’t need to play for tier points anymore this year; however, this doesn’t mean I’m not going to play a little for hopeful profit.  I tried another hundred in my “lucky” Lord of Rings machine—a loss.  I put a hundred in the Phantom of the Opera and then the Hot Dice machines—a loss.  I then gave up on the penny games and went back to my trusty 50-plays at the 2-cent level.  I lost a hundred at 8/5 SDB.  I lost a hundred at the Double Deuces.  I went back to SDB for my third and final hundred.  I was up $75 when I was dealt quad 3s for a very sweet and needed $400 win and bringing me back even for the day.  That was enough for me.  I gave the place about a thousand tier points and broke even—I’m good.  


Day saving dealt quad 3s on the 50 play at the 2-cent level good for $400

   I headed back to the room to watch the Chargers play Miami and write this report—another loss—they’re just terrible.  Martin will be coming at 6:30 for dinner and then I’ll go bed right after as I want to get right to bed and up very early to head back to San Diego.  I’ll be subbing the rest of this week and as our district has the entire Thanksgiving week off, I’ll be back once again to Las Vegas where I’ll pick up Chapter 9.

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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2013, 09:12:55 PM »
I guess they haven't completely worked out the kinks in the 7 Stars system. Why do they have to make things so confusing for their best players? Stupid of them.

Sorry about your slot tournament. Wow, so nice of them to have it spelled out so well. lol

Congrats on having a weekend on the casinos and breaking even!

Looking forward to the next installment. :)
Mare
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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2013, 09:25:36 PM »
Thanks for the update, Jon, and congrats on the nice dealt quads to help the bankroll.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2013, 07:36:19 PM »
OK,   I have a question.   You mentioned that at the next  of Diamond (40K tier) you get 4 nights anytime at any Caesars property.   Is that all you get for the 40K tier?    I am wondering because I don't play all that often,  but when I do,  I play big,  and my host can get me 5 nights in Augustus tower pretty much anytime.   So if I can get that anyway,   is there any benefit to me getting the remaining 2K tier for the 40,000 ?   I think I am done gambling for the year,   but if I can get something more than what I already can get,   I might put in a Saturday down in Tunica


whoops,   I think the mention of the 40K level up was in a previous chapter
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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2013, 09:15:06 PM »
Yep, Karen, that is the only benefit of the 2nd diamond tier which is why I wouldn't waste my time. Anyone gambling in their system can get 4 nights comped. I don't know which dumb-ass bean-counter thought that would get cardholders to play more, but they need to be fired!
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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 09:31:36 AM »
Yep, Karen, that is the only benefit of the 2nd diamond tier which is why I wouldn't waste my time. Anyone gambling in their system can get 4 nights comped. I don't know which dumb-ass bean-counter thought that would get cardholders to play more, but they need to be fired!

maybe they will tweak the new system some next year so that you actually get something foe that 2nd level Diamond.   Since there really is no benefit,  I think I will stay at 38K and be done for the year.   I think that for the second year in a row I have ended up with some of their money!
so those of us who want to bitch, are going to bitch.  and those who want to bitch about the bitching are going to bitch about the bitching.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2013, 03:30:40 PM »
If they don't tweak it there certainly will be no reason for me to go beyond just getting diamond.

Congrats on taking their money!
Mare
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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 01:08:56 PM »
Karen,

You have a host, which the majority of Diamond players no longer have.  Most are now to go see the "host of the day" for questions and reservations.  I'm thinking the Four Anytime nights are at least a perk that can be insisted on considering that lately comp nights for most diamond players do not include weekends.  This perk will at least give that.  But I agree, they need to sweeten the pot for 40K tier level. 

I think I'll go into the "is 7-Stars" for you question in Chapter 9, which will include my Thanksgiving week trip to Vegas.

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 05:24:29 PM »
I haven't had a problem getting weekend nights at Caesars either.   Suites,  I don't get.   I don't count the Strip Suite room type at PHo as a suite though.   Most Diamond players don't have a host?   
so those of us who want to bitch, are going to bitch.  and those who want to bitch about the bitching are going to bitch about the bitching.

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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 05:26:29 PM »
Karen, You have a host, which the majority of Diamond players no longer have.  Most are now to go see the "host of the day" for questions and reservations. 

I'm not sure about that Jon, I'm Platinum and have a host in Laughlin that contacts me all the time trying to get me there.  I also have a host in Vegas that emails me about twice per  year.   It's been years since I've even been Diamond.   This year I won't even make Platinum. I think  I have 6 tier credits for the year.

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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 12:40:44 PM »
Karen,

You have a host, which the majority of Diamond players no longer have.  Most are now to go see the "host of the day" for questions and reservations.  I'm thinking the Four Anytime nights are at least a perk that can be insisted on considering that lately comp nights for most diamond players do not include weekends.  This perk will at least give that.  But I agree, they need to sweeten the pot for 40K tier level. 

I think I'll go into the "is 7-Stars" for you question in Chapter 9, which will include my Thanksgiving week trip to Vegas.


Comp weekend nights (and most comps with HET in general) have nothing to do with being diamond. It's all about your ADT and your worth to the casino. There are actually gold/platinum players out there that get better offers and room comps than 7* players.

I can use my case for an example. This was a few years ago. My wife and I were both diamond. We both were getting similar offers and both of us could book 5 nights in Vegas most of the time. The exception being Caesars during some dates. We didn't get her card to diamond for the following year, in fact we didn't even play on it except to keep her points alive. We used my card for most trips and got mine to diamond again. We did this through a number of short play days at various properties. Typically taking free play and running it through and walking with the cash, booking a room and not playing or getting a nice gift. This killed my ADT.

Her diamond card expired and she dropped to gold. My diamond card renewed. Now when it came to offers I wasn't getting shit but that was expected yet, she was still getting decent stuff. When it came to booking rooms, I couldn't get comps anywhere in Vegas, not even the Imperial Palace. Yet, here she was gold and was still able to get up to 5 nights pretty much everywhere except for Caesars Palace.

Fast forward to the years they did the Great Race and we killed her average just hitting and running.   

Take Atlantic City for another example. They have a high number of 7* players there. Yet their ADT sucks because many of them are locals that play smaller amounts a few times a week. Even though they are 7*, there are players in gold, platinum and diamond levels that have better ADT because they only go once a month and play heavy when they do.

While 7* and diamond do offer some perks that are set and guaranteed that other levels don't get, not everything is based on card level. Room comps and offers are among those.

Not that you should do this and I don't want you to,  but I assure you, that if over the next few months, if you started going in, running your free play though and leaving without maintaining your level of play, even as 7* your comps and ability to book rooms wherever and whenever would be over while gold players with high average would still be able to book comp nights.     

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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 01:39:41 PM »

Comp weekend nights (and most comps with HET in general) have nothing to do with being diamond. It's all about your ADT and your worth to the casino. There are actually gold/platinum players out there that get better offers and room comps than 7* players.


i would like to echo this.  the only time i got caesars was when i was gold.  i got five nights, including a weekend.


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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 02:29:49 PM »
I was just asking about the 2nd Diamond tier and if there was any benefit,   but I wholeheartedly agree with stungazed on this.   And this is why I don't play all that often, but when I do,  I play pretty big.   I never put my card in a Caesars machine without getting at least 1K tier for the day,  and I have not participated in the Great Race. 
so those of us who want to bitch, are going to bitch.  and those who want to bitch about the bitching are going to bitch about the bitching.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 02:34:03 PM »

Not that you should do this and I don't want you to,  but I assure you, that if over the next few months, if you started going in, running your free play though and leaving without maintaining your level of play, even as 7* your comps and ability to book rooms wherever and whenever would be over while gold players with high average would still be able to book comp nights.     

Absolutely true. I stopped playing on Scott's card a few years ago without taking offer after offer and stiffing them, so he still had a decent, but not great ADT. He needs to go to Reno next month and just for kicks I decided to check Harrah's Reno signed into his account (he has zero offers). To my surprise, I was able to book him two nights free!

FYI -- our account are not linked -- I had Total Rewards separate them years ago.
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Re: Reaching for the Stars - Chapter 8
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 02:35:46 PM »
   I never put my card in a Caesars machine without getting at least 1K tier for the day,  and I have not participated in the Great Race. 

you being an adt maniac = i now have $3.20 in harrahs comps.  woo!  free diet pepsi!