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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2016, 06:46:39 PM »
I could tank up on water to make weight, then eat free!

Ooh, hidden water bladders in your clothes to put you over-weight.  Genius.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2016, 07:29:19 PM »
Here's the latest in the planning process. New Big Business Cards!!!!



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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 11:23:16 PM »

"$1K Scrounge Trip" ?? 

Spending all that money on accommodations when you could be sleeping in the homeless shelters for free?

Planning buffets (even with coupons) when you could visit the homeless feeding charities?

Have you even learned the locations and hours of operations for the assorted blood banks to sell your blood or plasma? (Plasma can be big bucks!) Plus free juice and cookies.

Perhaps others will come along with more savvy cheapskate tricks and tips. :)



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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2016, 05:13:06 AM »

"$1K Scrounge Trip" ?? 

Spending all that money on accommodations when you could be sleeping in the homeless shelters for free?

Planning buffets (even with coupons) when you could visit the homeless feeding charities?

Have you even learned the locations and hours of operations for the assorted blood banks to sell your blood or plasma? (Plasma can be big bucks!) Plus free juice and cookies.

Perhaps others will come along with more savvy cheapskate tricks and tips. :)

:tongue:

There's always D street between Bonanza and the freeway next to the rescue mission.. or the D street connector. Lots of sidewalk room if one gets there early. One might need a partner to hold one's spot, though. It's centrally located and just a short walk from the FSE.  :stir: :wine: BYOK (bring your own knife)
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

Just call me the "quad kickers" of deuces wild and double bonus poker.

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« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 07:22:12 PM »
If you have some extra time and patience, you might want to read the trip report I have posted in the Trip Report section.

It outlines our travels around the valley exploiting coupons.  We didn't miss too many gambling coupons.

Note, we each had an ACG and an MRB and we did a lot of coupon trading in advance.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2016, 08:34:14 PM »
Anybody seen Tommy Wind? Twelve bucks. I can't wait. Good or bad, I will be entertained.

Getting lots of deals from Grope-on in my inbox.



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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2016, 01:31:56 PM »
Anybody seen Tommy Wind? Twelve bucks. I can't wait. Good or bad, I will be entertained.

Getting lots of deals from Grope-on in my inbox.



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« Last Edit: May 28, 2016, 10:53:47 PM by StatFreak »
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

Just call me the "quad kickers" of deuces wild and double bonus poker.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2016, 06:26:26 PM »
Been a while since I had any updates on this. But first, how to be a Professional Advantage Video Poker Player.

I've decided I don't want to be one. Maybe if I was retired and living in Vegas. But not for a week or two a few times a year.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2016, 11:46:29 PM »
Been a while since I had any updates on this. But first, how to be a Professional Advantage Video Poker Player.

I've decided I don't want to be one. Maybe if I was retired and living in Vegas. But not for a week or two a few times a year.

http://www.royalflushervegas.com/2016/05/planning-1000-las-vegas-vacation-part-9.html

All excellent points. Especially:

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There are other things besides the money it costs to play the game that are important to me.
That says it all. For over 99% of the gamblers out there (less those with a gambling addiction), it's recreational entertainment. What's the point if one is not enjoying the activity.



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Why would I give up on a great positive play? Because it became work. It was stressing me out.
Also a great reason not to play.

In my case, this is, for now, my chosen retirement job. It is an activity I really enjoy. It keeps me busy, keeps my mind active, gets me out of the house several times a week and ends up putting more money into my pocket than comes out. It beats the hell out of being a WalWort greeter. I don't chase every opportunity as aggressively as others I know because I don't need the money (I like the extra money but I don't need it.) and for exactly the same reason you gave. I won't sit at 9/6 Jacks for 10 hours grinding out an advantage. I leave that to others more deserving and needy than I.

I think for most, dare I use the word :P, savvy gamblers, like many on these boards, the object of picking the best pay tables is to reduce the cost of their Vegas vacations as much as possible or to even eliminate the cost.



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Well, I think it means that in the short term, anything can happen. In the long term, it does matter that you pick better paytables, to assure a better long term return.

But how long is the long term? As a vacation going to Vegas, I think it takes many years before I get to the mathematical long term.
I completely agree. It's the difference between gamblers hoping for luck and casinos not caring at all about it and waiting for the math to undo any good or back luck they may have against their customers.

Serious APs, myself included, are looking to make the casinos the customers and themselves, the casino. Hence the need for time on machine, sufficient bankroll and a consistent advantage against my "customers."



My take on all of this is that when a recreational gambler gets to the point where he or she lives for their gambling vacations, gambles multiple times a year for long periods of time and plans to continue for decades (like many regular posters on boards like these), then it becomes worthwhile to learn the best paying games and to try to stick to them as much as possible, but not to the point that they lose the entertainment value of the activity.

Even so, no one sees the difference between good and bad pay tables in a few dozen hours -- that's why casinos can get away with endlessly offering lousy paybacks to clueless customers -- but after twenty years of visiting Vegas multiple times a year, the difference in choices between person A, who only plays the best VP they can find at the better properties and person B, who plays whatever crap slot or VP the Strip is slinging that happens to be closest to the elevator or the bar, is going to be substantial.
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

Just call me the "quad kickers" of deuces wild and double bonus poker.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2016, 10:55:28 AM »
T.I. has thrown me an offer with $400 free play and I'm trying to figure out whether I can afford to give them the coin in I need to keep my current offer level if I take the offer.

I did some playing around with Dunbar's Risk Analyzer for VP - I had a very old version stored away somewhere, and upgrade to version 2.0. I learned some really important things about short term play and the effect of game choice and paytable have on it.

It's not as simple as I thought, due to short term variance.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2016, 11:42:44 AM »
T.I. has thrown me an offer with $400 free play and I'm trying to figure out whether I can afford to give them the coin in I need to keep my current offer level if I take the offer.

Sorry if this was covered already. You say you need $16k coin-in to keep them happy. But according to vpfree2, the games earn points at different rates -- $15/pt at full-pay JOB, versus $4.50/pt at short-pay Bonus Poker. If all your previous play was at Bonus Poker, then presumably you'll need more than $16k if you choose JOB instead.

I didn't see any consideration of multi-line, but for 7/5 Bonus Poker, the database shows 3/5/10-play available from nickels up to quarters. I would choose the 10-play nickels or dimes. To minimize volatility, I would restrain myself from activating the Super Times Pay feature. That should allow you to achieve the coin-in goal with near-zero chance of busting the bankroll.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2016, 12:23:32 PM »
T.I. has thrown me an offer with $400 free play and I'm trying to figure out whether I can afford to give them the coin in I need to keep my current offer level if I take the offer.

Sorry if this was covered already. You say you need $16k coin-in to keep them happy. But according to vpfree2, the games earn points at different rates -- $15/pt at full-pay JOB, versus $4.50/pt at short-pay Bonus Poker. If all your previous play was at Bonus Poker, then presumably you'll need more than $16k if you choose JOB instead.

I didn't see any consideration of multi-line, but for 7/5 Bonus Poker, the database shows 3/5/10-play available from nickels up to quarters. I would choose the 10-play nickels or dimes. To minimize volatility, I would restrain myself from activating the Super Times Pay feature. That should allow you to achieve the coin-in goal with near-zero chance of busting the bankroll.


Thanks for the info, and an interesting nickel play idea.

We've done a significant portion of our play on the same machines that have the Jacks on them, so I think they will be okay with it.
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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2016, 03:17:12 PM »
We've done a significant portion of our play on the same machines that have the Jacks on them, so I think they will be okay with it.

It's definitely an offer you can't refuse. When I receive $400 free play offers, there's usually a decimal point after the 4  :-[
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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2016, 04:07:43 PM »
I would suggest planning on what you will do if you lose your free play and additional $400 before reaching your goal of $8k CI. Are you going to quit and short play them or are you going to commit whatever you've got left to make your CI goal? If it's the latter, you might want to run calculations on bankroll variance for the number of hands you'll be playing for each game you're considering. Do that without capping a loss at $800. See what the probability is of all of the outcomes.

Another observation. Will you be getting points for your free play? Most casinos don't do that (although some do). If not, then you probably won't have $800 to risk building points. You'll have $400 plus whatever is left of the free play money after you've washed it once.
If you place a statistician's head in dry ice and his feet in boiling water, then on the average he is fairly comfortable but his comfort has a large variance.

Most people have more than the average number of legs.

Just call me the "quad kickers" of deuces wild and double bonus poker.

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Re: Royal Flusher $1K Scrounge Trip Planning
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2016, 09:16:22 PM »
I would suggest planning on what you will do if you lose your free play and additional $400 before reaching your goal of $8k CI. Are you going to quit and short play them or are you going to commit whatever you've got left to make your CI goal? If it's the latter, you might want to run calculations on bankroll variance for the number of hands you'll be playing for each game you're considering. Do that without capping a loss at $800. See what the probability is of all of the outcomes.

Another observation. Will you be getting points for your free play? Most casinos don't do that (although some do). If not, then you probably won't have $800 to risk building points. You'll have $400 plus whatever is left of the free play money after you've washed it once.

You make some excellent, if sobering points.

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